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dannyai
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posted August 27, 2001 07:54     Profile for dannyai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi

With the BX6R2 what is the maximum cpu we can put in it?

I want to buy a Celeron 1100Mhz or a P3 1000Mhz (133MhzFSB). And a P3 1000(100FSB) if I absolutely must!

I know this board is suppose to handle FSB of 133mhz but can it do it 100% stable?
I have a P3-1000 (133Mhz FSB CPU) Should I Buy a SlotKet and try it out?

Lets talk back to Celeron 1100mhz. A clock multiplier of 11...will the BX6R2 chuck a spase and refuse the chip?


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posted August 28, 2001 22:54     Profile for colche   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
it doesn't seem very stable up over 100FSB
with regards to the PCI and AGP.
So I'm not very sure with the PIII's@133FSB
(anyone with an actual PIII wanna say anything?)

I currently have one of the newer 800MHZ celerons in my BX6Rev2 (with a Slotket!!!), and its running @ 8x117MHZ = 936Mhz very stable. Anything higher, and it seems like my vid card is unhappy, not the CPU.

Now, according to this post in the forum
http://fae.abit.com.tw/eng/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=000024

the CPU multiplier overrides the 9x multiplier limit on the BIOS. Therefore, if the new celeron line is using the same core design as the current 800,850 and 900MHZ celeron's, it should take up to a Celeron 1.1GHZ.


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posted August 29, 2001 15:41     Profile for dannyai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hello Thanks for the info!

I am beginning to think that the BX6R2 will not work stably at 133mhz fsb(I hear some can do it no probs?).. so it will seem that I will go Celeron 1100mhz. But I've heard about them microcode and stepping of cpu's. So I've read somewhere that the bx6r2 bios QR will accept stepping of coppermine up to cC0. What would happened if i got the new cD0 stepping celeron coppermines? Would it even boot? Hey could you please check which stepping you have for your c800?

SL4TF C0 128 0686h 800/100 FC-PGA 4, 5
SL45R C0 128 0686h 800/100 FC-PGA 2, 4, 5
SL54P D0 128 068Ah 800/100 FC-PGA 4, 8
SL5EB D0 128 068Ah 800/100 FC-PGA 2, 4, 8
SL5LX D0 128 068Ah 900/100 FC-PGA 4, 9
SL5MQ D0 128 068Ah 900/100 FC-PGA 2, 4, 9

As we can see >900mhz celerons only have stepping cD0.

I currently have a p3-500 katmai..and it doesn't like the 117mhz fsb at all...unless i disable the l2 cache it runs fine!! But thats no good!

So how does a Celeron 800 par with the p3? From the benchmarks its like a 200mhz disadvantage to p3's? So how does it perform when they are overclocked? Which p3 does your celeron 936 match?


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posted August 29, 2001 19:07     Profile for colche   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have no idea how to check the stepping thing. Can u tell me how?

here are some quick benchmarks with sisandroft. Note that @992mhz I can't play any games because my video card seems to lock up.

lock up.


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posted August 29, 2001 21:53     Profile for colche   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
800 (BOXED)SL55R/SL4TF (OEM)SL4TF cC0 0686 128K 80 20.8 3,4,5,6,8,13

thats me


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posted August 30, 2001 07:24     Profile for dannyai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey Cool.....
Benchmarks!!!


Hey have u ever used a pIII of same speed? Because I have noticed on the internet that the celeron performs really poorly on games and application software. It only performs like a -200mhz p3 in games and software. So is that noticable to you?

I am looking for the pages on the internet with them 850mhz celeron II(well overlocked fom 566) benchmarks but cannot find them. When I find them I post them here! =)

Oh by the way what video card do u have?
It wont run at 124mhz fsb? I dont think I will have any luck running mine at 133mhz
at a 88mhz agp speed hahahaha.

Has anyone tried the new cD0 stepping on these bx6r2's?

wait for me to get them sites!!


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posted August 30, 2001 07:38     Profile for dannyai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
hello again
Well I found some sites...but still couldn't find the site i was looking for!
http://www.benchmark.pl/artykuly/testy/celeron850/celeron850.html

check out the p3...!! http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q1/010108/duron850-07.html
Check out quake 3?? The celeron somehow max's at like 100fps
whereas the p3 1000 max's at 150fps. But Even the p3 750 should
get 100fps.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://gamesnhardware.com/tests/celeron2/page4.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dceleron%2B900%2Bbx6%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%2 6sa%3DN
this one shows the gap between celeron and p3.
you have to go back a page for cpu benchmarks.


Hmmmmmm I think I better wait till intel have their prices real low before I upgrade.

From p3-500 to .......celeron 1100mhz
=300-400 Improvement to the p3.

I would think that the 1100 celeron is a 800 p3.

What do you think of celerons? Are they really that good? Because I have never ever used one I really dont know what they are like! I like because they are cheap hahaha!


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posted August 30, 2001 10:50     Profile for LutaWicasa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Here's some Cel 566 @ 1054 benchies for ya

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Celly 566 @ 1054
BX6r2


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posted August 30, 2001 14:31     Profile for colche   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
cels aren't that bad.

I'm got a Geforce2MX AGP btw...

and I wouldn't go quite as far as -400Mhz to PIII
maybe more like 50-100, judging from when I play with my friend who has a nearly identical system but an Athlon1GHZ


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posted August 30, 2001 16:23     Profile for dannyai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey

fanks for them benchmarks!! hehehe sounds like power to me!! ahhah

Its similiar to your friends Athlon because ..you too are running the Geforce2 MX. I think it is a -200mhz disadvantage to P3 (running CPU dependant programs well heavy programs like office 2000 and quake3). Well Looking at the price...its a Australian$200 advantage! heheh.

Somehow I see shops with Celeron 1100mhz pricing however intel hasn't even officially announced their existence!

thankyou all for helping me out!

=)


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posted September 01, 2001 12:36     Profile for dannyai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey people!!!!

I've finally found it the 1100mhz vs duron 1000mhz
and p3 1000mhz!!!!!
http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/633/

could u's tell me what u still fink of the celeron?


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posted October 02, 2001 22:08     Profile for aabutin   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The following is what an Abit USA Tech had to say on the subject of BX6r2 accepting 1GHz Celly. But we know unofficially that we can try.

<< Daer customer,
The ABIT BX6R2 does not support Celeron 1GHz processor. The Celeron 600 (66MHz FSB) is the max.

Regards,
Kevin, ABIT-FAE >>


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posted October 03, 2001 12:00     Profile for colche   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I got the same from the USA tech. Whereas the Taiwanese tech said something like he had heard it taking as high as 766, but wasn't sure about the newer ones.
<p>
So I took the punt and it worked, the CPU was relatively cheap, it was only a quick fix upgrade postponing my next upgrade which will require the works (eg. new mobo etc.)if it didn't work I could have sold it off again but it did!

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posted October 07, 2001 17:08     Profile for dannyai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey

Hehe thats what they said to me too!! That 600(66) celeron was max!!! But im gonna be buying a 1.1 celeron in like a week so it better work!! ahhahaha!

Hmm but people have got a celeron 900 to work( thats a cd0 stepping)
so it should work for 1.1ghz!


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posted October 08, 2001 07:42     Profile for dannyai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey People!

I actually found a page where they taught u how to add microcode to the bios of almost anyboard!. Well If my Celeron 1.1 Boots....then i am not gonna change my bios...but if it doesn't im gonna add the microcode for it in the bios!(and hope it works!) You can always flash back to the official bios's if you wished!. It also taught how to change the EPA Logo hahah so mines gonna have INTEL inside or something! ehhehe sorry i dont have link.....but if you's are interested i'll post link up...cause im at another computer!


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posted October 08, 2001 18:28     Profile for razor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have a Be6-II 2.0 RAID motherboard. HPT370 RAID
I fucked up and need to reflash the bios but whenever i try flashing with *zx binary, it says i have no award bios and thats strange when i have award..

Anyone got a idea?

This motherboard works great with Celeron 1,1Ghz 100Mhz/x11
Some bootup can happen, but press reset on the computer and it boots up.

RAZOR


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posted November 09, 2001 02:23     Profile for aabutin   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Woo hoo! Sitting in my BX6r2 board is a 1.0GHz Celly slocketed in an Asus 370-DL (you just can't find those Abit Slotket!!!s anymore). On top of it I have a ThermalTake Volcano 6CU+ heatsink and fan (overkill, I know). Hmmm that heatsink is resting right on top of the heatsink on the BX chipset....

Now if there were a way to get it to show up as something other than a Pentium III at ;18MHz at the post screen...

Actually I set the FSB to 112 and WCPUID is showing the CPU as 1100+. I'm running it in Win98SE and so far it is extremely stable! I tried a couple of hours of Counter-strike, and the fps is the highest I've ever seen, considering I have a V550 16MB tnt card in the machine. I'm running benchmarks and stability tests for the next 24-48 hrs and will post the results soon. I originally tried it 133FSB, but Win98SE refused to boot. Will try 124FSB when I get a chance.

Btw: I looked for a 9x multiplier in the BIOS but I see none. I do have the latest BIOS flash, and I've heard reports that this multiplier exists.

Dannyai, I hope you will post that link ASAP!!!

I love this board...

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posted November 09, 2001 06:16     Profile for dannyai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
seems like u got a old ........bios to me......
shows pentium III for a celeron....

my board shows "celeron (tm)"

and correct speed!
ie 1287mhz!!!!


oh well have fun me have exams....

i can send u my bios
its based on -QR version for the bx6r2!!!


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posted November 09, 2001 08:48     Profile for dannyai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
sorry link is here http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~roggefam/bmreport1.html

i didn't know which link u were talking about


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posted November 09, 2001 10:57     Profile for abitintime   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
i just upgraded my o/c cel 450 to the p3 1 gig 133 bus,i used the bxr_nw bios and it works like a charm ! i also have 2 strips of 256 mb micron cas2 ram on slots 1 and 3,im running the matrox g400 dual screen.on the bios screen it shows up as 00eb pentiumIII. some sysoft numbers are 2722mips and 1349 mflops.i am also using windows me and i have also soundblaster plantinum 5.1,hp 9110,pioneer dvd,creative 52x cdrom and quantum 12.7 hard drive.everthing seems to be running smoothly with the temp at 39 c.over the weekend i will try to max it out and see what i can get out of the chip.im also using the asus slotket1.7 volts.windows deetects the cpu as 1002 mghz and its a co stepping retail box,heatsink and fan.will post more after the weekend.so if u had thoughts about a p3 133 bus speed,i say go for it ! this board rocks !
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posted November 09, 2001 12:08     Profile for dannyai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
nw??? is that

a bx6 r1 board?????


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posted November 10, 2001 06:38     Profile for abitintime   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
no,thats a bx6r2 board.i had trouble flashing to the latest qr bios(first timer at flashing.hahhaha!) so i tried the second latest nw bios.
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posted November 10, 2001 06:46     Profile for dannyai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
if u can flash it to the second latest bios
i cant see why i cant flash it to the newest bios
no wonder it says pentium 3

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posted November 13, 2001 21:13     Profile for aabutin   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
My bad!

I have 2 of these boards and I THOUGHT I had flashed them to the most recent updates, but I was wrong. One was still in HK and the other was MW. Well, the QR bios is now running on both and that auto-detect works. Both are registering Celly 1GHz@1120 during post. However I had one casualty during all of this...it seemed that one of the fan headers went out on one of my boards. Perhaps the ThermalTake Volcano 6 CU+ shorted it out. Well, I have both cpu fans now drawing directly from the power supply to be safe.

I do have another nagging issue on one of the boards. Everytime I unhook the power supply, the CMOS resets to defaults. Is this the sign of a dead battery? Hmmmm...

The Celeron 1GHz CPUs:
System1: 3129A477-0450 SL5XT COSTA RICA
System2: 3129A477-0480 SL5XT COSTA RICA

3DMark2k scores jumped at least 1000 points from the originals (300@450), considering I have 16MB TNT cards sitting in both systems. Benchmark screens forthcoming.

Thanks Abit.


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posted November 15, 2001 06:18     Profile for dannyai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
yeap

i would say battery!!!!.....


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posted November 19, 2001 19:15     Profile for Nasti   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Err.. i used to have one of these boards. The best board ever! they kick ass!
Abyway. just a word of inspiration i used to run a PIII 800EB (yes, 133mhz) on it 24/7 PERFECTLY stable. I had ordinary RAM and a Geforce2 MX.
Trust me.. these boards dont give up easily.
Give it to em..

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